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| | | plpitts1 | | Set |  |  | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 00:50 Post title : TOR Silencer Kit | | | I have a 2012 Triumph Thunderbird. Have decided to remove cat and get the TOR exhaust long. I found a set on Pure-Triumph for $450.00 free shipping. They are called "Triumph Thunderbird Long High Flow Silencer Kit A9618052"
I believe these are the ones I'm looking for but confused on the wording "Silencer Kit". Can anybody explain this?
Also noticed that the K&N air filters are a lot cheaper that the Triumph Performance Air Filter. Any reason not to get the K&N
Thanks,
Pat
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 02:36 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: plpitts1) | | | "Silencer" is what those wacky Brits call mufflers/exhausts/pipes; I wish they'd speak English! 
I'm using the K&N air filter and Long TORs; good combo. FYI, you're also going to want to install the TORs tune (replace the stock map for your EFI) and re-run the 12 minute tune.
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 09:06 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Thanks PapaSmurfMC, I kinda put that together after I posted (silencer). And yes I will get the TOR's tune. Thanks for the reply. I will go with the K&N.
Pat
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| | | bnz433 | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/06/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,842 | | Location | : | Clifton Park (Upstate), NY, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 11:38 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: plpitts1) | | | What some folks don't like about the K&N is that you have to "oil it" every time. There's also some (IMHO, unfounded) speculation that the oil that's used in the filter can get into the fuel delivery and foul injectors, etc.
If you follow the K&N instructions, and don't oversaturate it, you should be good. If you soak it through, and don't allow time to dry out, then I guess you could start getting some degree of that filter-oil "mist" into the system.
The other high flow filters (I think) don't require oiling, etc.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 13:00 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: bnz433) | | |
bnz433 wrote:
...... There's also some (IMHO, unfounded) speculation that the oil that's used in the filter can get into the fuel delivery and foul injectors, etc.
..... don't oversaturate it, you should be good. ....Jamie |
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Agreed on both counts.
1st, the air intake is separate from the fuel intake. IF you over-oiled, you may get oil in the intake and it may burn off in a smoky mess, but foul the injectors? Nah!
2nd, I over oiled a K&N on my Legend once and it simply choked off the air supply and bogged the engine down. Ran awful until I did it right!
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 14:11 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: VABird) | | | the issues was apparently that the oil would fol up the MAF sensors but man you would have to put a ton of oil on it. I always work with the "real pink" method, if its really red (the filter with oil) you have put to much of it on. When they are new i always take some paper towel and soak up any of the oil that is on the outside of the filter, let it sit out of the package for a while to dry out and get tacky then throw it in.
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,923 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 30 Jun 2017 - 22:55 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: bnz433) | | |
bnz433 wrote:
What some folks don't like about the K&N is that you have to "oil it" every time. There's also some (IMHO, unfounded) speculation that the oil that's used in the filter can get into the fuel delivery and foul injectors, etc.
If you follow the K&N instructions, and don't oversaturate it, you should be good. If you soak it through, and don't allow time to dry out, then I guess you could start getting some degree of that filter-oil "mist" into the system.
The other high flow filters (I think) don't require oiling, etc.
Jamie
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Yes. the Triumph hi-flow filter ( foam ) requires oil but it's very tacky.
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2017 - 03:08 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: Linkdog) | | | You only need to oil the filter after you've washed it and unless you're in a very dusty environment, K&N says you can go 25,000 miles before checking the filter for cleaning. See Link
I did mine a few weeks ago and no problems; wash, let dry and then spray on a single light coat.
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| | | GerPa | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/12/2011 | | Posts | : | 1,919 | | Location | : | Mackay, Central Queensland, Australia |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2017 - 09:33 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: Linkdog) | | | Your right Link dog, I used some Fuchs Air Cleaner Oil and have NEVER EVER come across an oil that is a sticky. tacky & stringy, it is good but holy shit it is messy.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2017 - 14:35 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: GerPa) | | |
GerPa wrote:
Your right Link dog, I used some Fuchs Air Cleaner Oil and have NEVER EVER come across an oil that is a sticky. tacky & stringy, it is good but holy shit it is messy. |
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Sticky and tacky perfectly describe what i use, UNI filter oil. Comes in a aerosol spray. I use VERY little, and IMO it's the fact that it's so sticky that you don't need more than the slightest amount u can apply. You could probably apply it to strips of paper and make your own fly paper.
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2017 - 15:59 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: daz) | | | Well, I have cleaned and oiled air filters on other bikes in the past without any problems using the K&N kit. My previous bike called for the same service interval as this one. So about every 18 months or so I have been guilty of just replacing it and moving on. They come ready to use. I will save money doing my own oil changes. I am assuming that the Triumph Performance air filter comes oiled and ready to use.
Pat
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,407 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 01 Jul 2017 - 23:26 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: plpitts1) | | | I can't remember if mine came pre oiled or not, but after 114000kms with one I have gone back to the paper one for a while. I mentioned to a Triumph mechanic that when I do my valve checks it's always the inlets that need adjusting, he asked what filter i was using. When I said the triumph foam one he said try going back to paper, the foam one may be letting dirt through which is wearing the inlet seats. This is the second time a triumph mechanic mentioned this, the other one said that once a foam filter gets a bit of dirt on it it ceases to become a performance filter.
I've only had the paper one in a short time, the engine feels a tiny bit more responsive, I will see what the autotune tune is doing with changes after my next longer ride.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 03 Jul 2017 - 15:21 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: plpitts1) | | | I think TOR means Triumph Off Road and refers to the short mufflers (silencers).
So - if you remove cat box and run stock (long) mufflers, you need the TOR tune to compensate for missing cat box?
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| | | PapaSmurfMC | | Chaac | | | | Reg. Date | : | 03/10/2013 | | Posts | : | 871 | | Location | : | Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jul 2017 - 03:27 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: MotorMac) | | | MotorMac wrote:
I think TOR means Triumph Off Road and refers to the short mufflers (silencers).
So - if you remove cat box and run stock (long) mufflers, you need the TOR tune to compensate for missing cat box? |
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Right about what TOR stands for (but not the rest). There are short and long TORs available; I've got the long TORs. Since the TORs are more open pipes, you need to install the TORs tune (map), regardless of cat or no cat. I left my cat in place because I respect the environment.
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| | | VABird | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 28/09/2014 | | Posts | : | 1,373 | | Location | : | BEDFORD, Virginia, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jul 2017 - 11:16 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: MotorMac) | | | MotorMac wrote:
I think TOR means Triumph Off Road and refers to the short mufflers (silencers).
So - if you remove cat box and run stock (long) mufflers, you need the TOR tune to compensate for missing cat box? |
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Been running K&N air filter, stock mufflers, cat delete (elbows) and stock tune for a good while now. Runs great, gets about 50MPG.
I now have the stock Commander mufflers, but only a different shape. I think they're similarly baffled.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jul 2017 - 18:11 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: PapaSmurfMC) | | | Did not know there were long TORs. These have "off road only" on them? Don't think I've ever seen 'em.
I like the short TORS as they aren't in the way when changing tires or adjusting belt. Got the short TOR tune when installed years ago.
BTW: If I'm not mistaken, the cat converters have been stuffed into headers on newer models.
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| | | plpitts1 | | Set | | | | Reg. Date | : | 17/04/2017 | | Posts | : | 44 | | Location | : | Crowley, Texas, United States |
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| | Posted : 06 Jul 2017 - 18:29 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: MotorMac) | | | Seems to run fine with just the cat bypass pipes. Dealer says that no tune is necessary with just cat bypass, but will be necessary when I install the long TOR's. Will be a couple of weeks before they arrive. I like the long pipes look.
Pat
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| | Posted : 09 Jul 2017 - 08:32 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
I've only had the paper one in a short time, the engine feels a tiny bit more responsive. |
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Oih Lee
As discussed I changed back to the K&N Air Filter after the " Triumph ITG Sports foam Filter" fell apart during washing. I would definitely have to agree that My bike seems substantially more responsive than what it was with the Foam Filter.
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| | Posted : 09 Jul 2017 - 23:15 Post title : Re: TOR Silencer Kit (Re: GerPa) | | | I would agree, especially in the higher gears at wider throttle openings. As I said I am back to the paper one for now and my autotune is making some adjustments, adding fuel mostly in the 5 to 10% ranges.
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